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justice without respect to person. >> and do equal right to the poor and to the rich. >> and do equal right to the poor and to the rich. >> and that i will faithfully and impartially. >> and that i will faithfully and impartially. >> discharge and perform. >> discharge and perform. >> all the duties incumbent upon me. >> all the duties incumbent upon me. >> as associate justice of the supreme court of the united states. >> as an associate justice of the supreme court of the united states. >> under the constitution and laws of the united states. >> under the constitution and laws of the united states. >> so help me god. >> so help me god. >> congratulations, and welcome to the court.
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>> and alex, that's it. that is the short ceremony. this is an unusual thing that many people may not have heard. the judicial oath. we don't often hear it. and we never see it. we've never seen it on camera before. so there are many firsts about this ceremony. the fact that we're seeing a live picture from the supreme court conference room. the fact that you're now hearing the chief justice give the judicial oath with its promise that you will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and the rich. right after she took the oath,
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she shook hands with her new associate justice colleague, anthony kennedy. some other family and then left. and we're told that there will be a reception at the court for her friends and those that are gathered in the east conference room. but we won't hear from her today. other than the oath. and that's it for today. we won't see her again until next wednesday, when the white house has a reception for her and the president will be present at that. but he was not in the east conference room today. and we're told that was his decision. he wanted to emphasize the fact that she's independent of the president now. she's not supposed to be beholden to the man who nominated her. she's a member of the judicial branch now, separate from the president. and we're also told, alex, that the whole idea of doing this swearing-in with both the oaths at the supreme court and neither at the white house was the president's decision. supreme court justices in recent years have been grumbling, sometimes quietly, sometimes publicly, about the fact that many of their colleagues take
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their swearing-in ceremonies at the white house. they've often thought that was wrong, that it obscures the message of independence. and the president, we're told, agreed and asked the supreme court if they would do the ceremony there and allow television coverage. and that's what you've just seen. so you've seen his try on many fronts here. the third woman, the first hispanic justice, and the first investiture, or swearing swearing-in to take place at the supreme court in more than 70 years. it was fdr who started the practice of swearing in justices at the white house. and as are today, for now, that practice has ended. >> i'm very glad to have shared this momentous occasion with you, pete. question, you know, i'm not surprised that there's not going to be any big hullabaloo, certainly, but private reception. but given all that this woman has ahead of her, one month from today she's going to be sitting on the bench, having to hear a case. talk about what she's going to be doing between now and then. will she ever get out of her library and reading? >> not if she can help it.
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and you know, it's daunting for anybody to become a supreme court justice. many of the justices have talked about this fact. the supreme court doesn't have much of an orientation program for incoming justices. one thing she'll probably want to do is find some law clerks who have had some experience at the court to help guide her through the ways because there isn't much the court does, too. there's no welcome to the supreme court manual on her desk. she's got to try to figure out where all the things are in the court. she's got to read through all these briefs that have piled up, and that's a daunting task for anyone. and then i think there's another factor at play here. and sandra day o'connor wrote about this in one of her books when she became the first woman on the supreme court. she said not only did she have all the pressure of trying to figure out the job, but she was the first. she was the first woman, and she was under extra scrutiny because of that. and i think there will be some of that at play here with sonia sotomayor here being the first latina on the court.
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that will add to public scrutiny and just increase some of the pressure on her. so it's really quite something that is now on her shoulders. >> okay, i'm going to welcome into our conversation patricia millett. i spoke with her last hour, she's co-chair of the supreme court practice at the law firm of aiken, grump, strauss, howard and field. among the things she has to do, as well, is literally, as you put it patricia, she's got to make the coffee. she has to take all the notes and transcribe all the meetings that they have. she's the last person to speak. not only does she have to intellectually prepare, she's got a lot of busywork to do, as well. >> you're right. there's a lot of custom to get used to. a lot of new faces to meet. new problems to investigate. for anyone starting a new job is a hard thing. then to have one of this magnitude. as we said, she starts a month earlier than justices usually do with a hearing on september 9th on a very important constitutional question. so she has her work cut out for
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her. she's had a busy summer already and it's only going to get busier. >> patricia, what was going through your mind when you watched her being indoctrinated now at the 111th supreme court justice? she's sworn in, it's a done deal. what were you thinking? >> i just find it a very, very moving circumstance to see. i am obviously very pleased to see another woman on the court. i suspect justice ginsburg has said she will be glad. and i think that will be sort of, she'll have an instant bond, a relationship there, and i think justice ginsburg will be happy to help her orient her to the court and the ju job as best she can. but i think it's a very moving circumstance for us. and i hope that americans will put the politics aside and sit back, as they did after president obama won the election, for a few minutes and just revel in the miracle that our country is. that someone of her background an enormous capabilities has come to this point, and we're just becoming a more dive ert
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and open place. and that's to be celebrated no matter what your politics are. >> i know that you've argued a couple dozen places before the federal court and slightly more in front of the supreme court specifically. so as a judge, what is the difference for her job, now that she is on the supreme court? >> i think there's three big differences. one is she talked in her hearings about how she was bound by precedent and followed it and applied it faithfully. she now is the precedent maker. or she's one of nine precedent makers. again the september 9th hearing they're going to rethink what the rule is. she's the last word, or part of the last word. the other thing as i said, they don't act as islands unto themselves. she now has to make decisions in a group of nine. usually court of appeals judges act in groups of three. so to get to a decision now she has to, we call it in supreme court practice, count to five. she has to get to five to have an opinion on the court. and other justices may want her to be one of their five. there's a lot of persuasion and
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consensus building. that was one of the thing john roberts was touted for at the time of his nomination. that's going to be a new job for her. >> and pete, i want to ask you, among all of the things that she has to consider right now, sonia sotomayor, how important are first impressions? because this is her job for life. so with those people with whom she'll be working now, does she have to tread lightly, or does she get out there and put herself exactly who she is, does she test the waters? does she toy look, i'm here for life, let's deal? >> well, i think incoming justices tend to do that. tend to tread lightly. first of all, they're still trying to figure out how the joint works. and many of them have said it takes a couple of years just to be comfortable with how everything works. and i think that she will certainly be quite clear in her opinions, and fully and faithfully follow her judicial philosophy. but in terms of her dealings with others, and i think the thing that we'll see most
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visibly is her questions from the bench. she has a reputation as being a very active participant in oral arguments, and she's going to be now trying to jostle for elbow room with a bench full of people like that. my guess is, having watched new justices do this, she'll hang back a little bit. she won't try to be too aggressive early on. and nothing to do with being a woman. it has everything to do with being an incoming justice. and they all want to try to make friends, and they're well aware of that fact that the supreme court, in addition to 4r09s of other things, is a social group of nine people. and she wants to make a good impression. and that's going to weigh heavily on her. sure, you bet. >> okay. well i love the candor with which a couple in particular were honest about how they felt just very quickly. you had justice stephen breyer saying i was frightened to death for the first three years. that's a good line right there and justice david souter once described coming to court as walking through a tidal wave. so we get a little bit of an inkling of what she'll be facing. i thank you both for joining us.
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pete williams, taking us through it. hitting perfectly at the top. and patricia millett. >> thank you. there are some new details this morning surrounding that deadly wrong-way crash in new york. state police say there was no evidence that diane schuler was impaired just hours before the tragedy. we'll have more on that straight ahead. plus the wife of south carolina governor mark sanford is moving out. what are her plans? we'll talk about it coming up on msnbc saturday. when i really liked to be outside, i did not like suffering from nasal allergy symptoms like congestion. but nasonex relief may i say... bee-utiful! prescription nasonex is proven to help relieve indoor and outdoor nasal allergy symptoms like congestion, runny and itchy nose and sneezing. (announcer) side effects were generally mild and included headache. viral infection, sore throat, nosebleeds and coughing. ask your doctor about symptom relief with nasonex. and save up to $15 off your refills. go to nasonex.com for details, terms and conditions.
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lawmakers continue to face angry protests from opponents as they hold town hall style meeting in their individual districts. a street fight broke out near st. louis following another contention town hall held by congressman carnahan.
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>> you're going to jail! >> joining me now live misinnocence political analysts pat buchanan and democratic strategist julian epstein. another good morning to the two of you. last time, julian, i had more time for pat so i want to make this one fair and start with you. do you think congress and the president have done a good enough job explaining to the public what's in this bill and allaying some of their fears? or is part of the problem the fact that there's not one cohesive bill out there? >> well, i think you're -- the question's a good one. and i think the criticism is a good one. i think the democrats have got to do a better job of explaining to people that have health insurance what they're getting out of this. look, polls overwhelmingly show that the public wants health care reform. we spend twice as much as other countries do on health care. we have a record number of people who are uninsured. we have a third of every health
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care dollar being wasted right now. and for people that have health insurance, what they'll get out of this bill is they'll get more choices and lower costs. and i do think democrats have got to do a better job of explaining that. on the other hand, because the public really wants reform, republicans i think are in a bind right here. rather than competing in the arena of ideas, it looks like they're standing on the sidelines and throwing tomatoes and eggs and looking to the obstructionist with these town hall meetings. i can't see how at the end of the day that's going to win the game for them. >> pat, do you think the president risks a problem by looking at these people as being just conservative activists, as opposed to those who have what they believe are legitimate needs? >> well, we appreciate julian's counsel to the republican party. but, look, let me say that barack obama's got a real problem. i mean he started up here in the polls personally at around 68%. he's down in the 50s now. and on health care he appears to be under water and it's getting worse and worse. and the reason is because the
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american people, i think generally argue for health care reform? sure. and then you look at the cost, and then you look at the right to life issue, the abortion issue, then you look at these end of life counselor positions, and they look at all of these things, you look at this government option eating up, 70% of americans are very, very happy with the health insurance programs they have. and they're willing to go along with help for folks who don't have it. but you start stepping on them and say we're going to take this away from you, we're going to take that away from you, and this is a genuine, passionate fire out there in america, alex. i don't doubt some people are misbehaving and they shouldn't. but there's real passion against this bill, i'm sure there's passion for it. and i think it's in worse and worse shape the more we learn of it. and i think obama's sales job, he moves from cost control to universal coverage, i think shows that they don't know what is a winning combination. >> i've got to tell you, if my twitter page is any gauge of things, yikes, we've got people with passion there.
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which is a good thing, because it's sometimes takes that to get something accomplished. but i'm curious -- >> let me ask you, which side are they coming in on? and do they sound like they're orchestrated and organized or are they just individuals, you know, expressing one view or another? >> i would say on my twitter page, pat, there are more people that would be of a liberal ilk that are writing in. and that are unappreciative of the tactics, as they call it, that they believe the gop is all behind in putting all these people at these town hall meetings, getting things all riled up and not allowing the discussion to move forward. >> to answer pat's point while a lot of people may be satisfied with their health insurance, overwhelmingly the public thinks the health care system is broken, it's wasteful, it doesn't do the job. again, as i say, we lose one in every three dollars in this country spent on health care doesn't go to making the patient more healthy. and the -- there just is no question that there is an
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overwhelming public sentiment for change right now. i do agree democrats have got to make a very, very strong case on the benefits that will accrue to people. >> all right. but julian, you've got to agree that the decisive vote on this is not going to be republicans. most of them, or most all of them are seeing what's coming out, they're going to oppose it. the decisive votes here are folks who are democrats. they came in with barack obama. every house member came in with him and he enlarged the majority there. and you've got democratic senators. and these are the folks that i see on my own tv, msnbc, liberals are attacking these democratic senators, and i say what is going on? the real division here is between the blue dog democrats and i think the passionate liberal wing of the democratic party. if the blue dogs go completely with obama, then you're going to get it. >> look, i want to ask both of you -- >> with due respect, pat quick response, i think that conservatives would like that to be. but there is a passion gap right here. i think with conservatives, a small minority does have much, much more passion than i think
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the majority has. which is what you see being played out with these town hall hearings. but i think, again, these town hall mobs, if you will, or disrupters, represent a small minority of the public i think the blue dogs will be with the president. we will get health care reform done, which is why i say at the end of the day republicans are left with at appearance of doing -- of looking like they're doing nothing, other than trying to obstruct the process, rather than to participate in reform, which the public wants. >> we're just going to have to live with that. >> as for blue dogs, i think they will be with the president at the end of the day. >> all right. listen guys, i'd love to continue the conversation but i have breaking news out about afghanistan. good to see you both. let's get to this breaking news. right now surrounding the reported death of the taliban's top commander in pakistan. there were some doubts about reports that a u.s. drone missile attack on wednesday killed baitullah mehsud and his wife. let's go to richard engel. he's in kabul with the very latest. hat do you know, richard?
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>> alex, as you know, earlier i had talked about how several taliban commanders today were reversing their positions from yesterday, and saying that baitullah mehsud was still alive. however, we are hearing increasing evidence, and increasing anecdotal information that, in fact, he was killed. because two of his successors got into a gun fight and they were arguing over who should take command of the leadership. we were told by taliban sources that not long ago in south waziristan today, hakimullae mehsud and another potential successor, both part of the larger mehsud family clan got into an argument, each one saying that they should take the leadership from baitullah mehsud to head the taliban in pakistan. that their arguments became so bitter, guns were drawn, and that both of them were killed. now, that hasn't been 100% confirmed. but it would be an unexpected
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bonus for u.s. forces that are trying to dismantle this operation if, in fact, there was this meeting to try to pick a successor, and that the two leading candidates got into such a heated argument that they were both killed. >> that is an extraordinary concept. richard, what about the significance of this kill, though? this man being, if he's dead, pakistan's number one wanted man by the cia, and the pakistani government, as well. absolutely. according to the u.n. baitullah mehsud was responsible for 70% of all suicide attacks in pakistan, responsible for about 1200 deaths in all, and of course, the assassination in december 2007 of benazir bhutto. so, his death just on its own would be very significant. and then combined with the reports we're just hearing now, that two of his potential successors were also killed, that they killed each other in a -- in an argument, a
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disagreement, and a gun fight would further indicate that this network of taliban leadership in pakistan is in a state of disarray, which is good news for not only the pakistanis, but also for u.s. intelligence. >> all right. richard engel live in kabul. richard, thanks so much for the live report. a family spokesperson says eunice kennedy shriver is critically ill. as family members gather at her bedside in a massachusetts hospital, the sister of president john f. kennedy suffered a series of strokes in recent years. a soaksman for governor arnold schwarzenegger, the husband of shriver's only daughter maria says the governor of california is there with the family in cape cod, as well. 88-year-old shriver is a longtime champion for the disabled and is best known for her work to establish the special olympics our thoughts and prayers are with her. mr. evans? this is janice from onstar. i have received an automatic signal you've been in a front-end crash. do you need help? yeah. i'll contact emergency services and stay with you.
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the wife of south carolina governor mark sanford has moved out of the governor's mansion. jenny sanford was spotted carrying boxes and clothes out
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of the official governor's residence in columbia. the governor's wife separated in june just weeks before he revealed he had an affair with a woman in argentina. nbc's mark potter is in name with the very latest. good morning to you. what is the first lady going to do now? >> reporter: well, good morning to you, alex. once again she says that she is going to keep on with her activities as of the first lady. but she says also that her first responsibility now is something else. it's her family. moving day at the south carolina governor's mansion. where jenny sanford, the first lady, is packing up and heading out while her husband the governor stays behind. in a statement issued friday mrs. stanford said i have decided to move back to our home in charleston with our sons for the upcoming school year. from there, we will continue the process of healing our family. bottom line is i've been unfaithful to my wife.
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>> it's the latest development in the scandal which broke in june when governor mark sanford admitted he had an extramarital affair and traveled to argentina to visit his mistress there. >> i hurt her. i hurt you all. i hurt my wife. i hurt my boys. >> despite we'd widespread calls for his resignation the governor refused to leave office. he and his wife promised to try to reconcile. on wednesday he returned there a two-week vacation with his family in europe. and on friday, hours after his wife moved out, the governor said it had been in the works for some time. >> you know, brewing for awhile. and been back and forth. we talked about it and kicked around at length. so >> the governor also said he and his wife agreed the move was best for their children. >> we have a job as parents to make sure that the boys grow up in as normal of circumstance as possible. particularly given ones that are adolescents that don't really
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like a lot of media attention. >> the governor says despite the separation he still has faith in his marriage. and the governor also says that he believes his wife 3406ing out is west for what he calls the process of reconciliation. he says it will not affect his ability to serve as governor. alex? >> all right. mark potter in miami. thank you, mark, for that. conservative talk show host rush limbaugh getting some flap. what he said about house speaker nancy pelosi that's got a lot of people all fired up. and the post office facing big-time money problems. officials say it's time to get creative in order to raise some money. what could happen at your local post office. now that's progres.
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miles in the wrong direction. nbc's jeff rossen is joining me now here in studio with the very latest on this. good morning, jeff. >> good to see you, alex. >> as we talk about the questions that are still out there, more and more they come about whether this woman was drunk, as the toxicology report stated. either she was or she wasn't, yet the husband's having issues. >> the toxicology report police contend doesn't lie. even if toxicology shows she had the equivalent of ten drinks, 0.19% blood alcohol level, that's twice the legal limit and they found the chemical in marijuana in her system. her husband says that can't be true, she's not a drinker, she would never put the children in jeopardy. what was new this morning is that witnesses are now coming out and telling police they saw diane schuler, that mother, at a mcdonald's just hours before the crash, and they say she was sober. she seemed perfectly fine. "the new york times" is reporting this morning that one of the girls, one of diane schuler's nieces in the car, who ended up dying, made some calls
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from her cell phone, from diane schuler's cell phone, calling her own father and saying, aunt diane, she said, is having trouble seeing and is slurg her words. and what the family's legal team is contending now is that this was some kind of medical issue. that she may have been disoriented from an abscess. that 1450e had diabetes. but police sent this to the crime lab and they have ruled out medical conditions. so really it just seems that the family -- hasn't accepted yet what's going on here. >> well perhaps not. but if what toxicology reports and investigators allege is true, the report's not alleging, those are factual things, this woman between the time of being at mcdonald's had to do shots while driving, and smoking a joint at the same time. >> i know. it makes no sense. >> it doesn't make any sense. >> it doesn't. and that's what the family says. the family says something is up here. something is wrong. and now child protective services has launched an investigation to see what the husband knew about her drinking problem. they have 60 days to complete this investigation.
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so the question is, was the husband literally clueless? did he not know what was going on? or did he know that she had a drinking problem, and so all of that they're hoping to learn in this investigation. but there's so many questions right now. >> i know. >> it doesn't make any sense. she had the equivalent of ten shots in her system. >> because just thinking about that, you're driving and you've got this precious cargo, your own children, two of them, three nieces. speaking of that, do we have an update on the status on the son? >> brian, the sole survivor. he's doing better. he's in the hospital. he hasn't spoken about the accident. but he's the only survivor. he is doing better. >> better physically. >> yeah. >> emotionally, wow. >> true. >> jeff rossen, good to see you. you're going to head back and do more jackson coverage. >> more michael jackson next week. >> you're out of here. thank you. an emotional scene outside the fitness club in pennsylvania where three women were shot to death this week. hundreds of mourners gathered to pay their respect and offer support to one another as a community just outside of pittsburgh comes to grip withs
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the tragedy. >> just to be here to be with other people, to give some strength and energy to the victims of this tragedy. >> nine other victims were injured in the shooting. the gunman, 48-year-old george sodini, shot himself to death following his killing spree. a new report by federal aviation officials reveals the problem that could have caused air france flight 447 to crash back in june and it may be more widespread than previously believed. this report shows speed sensors failed on at least a dozen recent northwest flights, making it impossible for pilots to know precisely how fast they were flying. all the malfunctions occurred on airbus a330 jets. this discoverry could help investigators trying to piece together what happened to flight 447. big changes could be in store for the post office, which is in the midst of a serious financial crisis. the u.s. postal service is on track to lose a staggering $7 billion this year. so what can be done to save the
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industry which has become known as snail mail? jonathan allen is a reporter with cqpolitics.com. good morning again. >> good morning. >> what is it? has e-mail, the internet, made the post office relatively obsolete? >> well, this is a big issue and has been for a long time for the postal office. they have fewer customers using them, so they get less revenue. and that makes them less competitive and they have fewer customers because they're less competitive with their competitors. that's a big issue, has been a long time. congress tried to address it. they passed a law in late 2006 that was supposed to give, and did give new powers for rate increases and other measures to be taken by a postal regulatory commission. what that has not done is made the post office for solvent or more competitive. we're finding out now that they're on pace to lose $7 billion this year. a lot of that is very tirement benefits, liabilities for postal workers. so that's something that's going to be even harder to get rid of
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than some of the structural deficiencies in terms of revenue. >> okay. recession. how much is that to blame for things here? >> that's probably got something to do with where the postal service is. but a lot of these issues pre-existed the current recession. and they'd be damaging the postal service to some extent. but they've got some other issues to deal with. even if there was no recession they'd be in trouble. >> okay. what about the postmaster general's suggestions, some changes to include cutting back on delivery days and other things, cutting back even on some post office locations? is that a good idea? >> it may be the only idea to save the postal service if you want to fin to have this government-run agency competing with fedex and u.p.s. and other private folks you may have to see the post office cut back on some of the services it's providing, including the saturday nail services. the postmaster general service has suggested closing down post offices. if they do that the town hall meetings we're seeing on health
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care is will are going to look at tea time at buckingham palace. but there's always the possibility of ever unpopular rate hikes. >> hmm. raising -- >> postage stamps going up. >> right, exactly. and raising them to what, we're at 44 cents now. are there any speculations as to how high they could go? >> i haven't heard any exact numbers, but certainly it's always a possibility. you could also see rates go up on commercial mail users. i mean, i don't know if your house is like mine but almost everything i get in the mail these days is from some sort of advertiser or a magazine subscription place. a very infrequently get actual mail that i'm looking for. >> yeah. get bills, though. yeah. okay. >> yeah, i get bills, though. pay them online these days, alex. >> i know, i know. i do, as well. >> but you will get the thank you note from me within three business days. i promise. >> what a nice boy. jonathan allen, thank you so much. well, the national retail
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federation says more consumers will scale back their back-to-school spending by 8% or so. to help spur sales 15 states are taking part in a tax free holiday this weekend providing significant savings on school-related merchandise for consumers. alabama's governor said the tax free weekend will help families and businesses reeling from the recession. >> it's growing because we finally hit this point of critical mass where everyone now wants to know why their county or city doesn't participate. and when it gets to that point, then everyone, i think, is going to participate because the last thing that they want is to lose business for their own local retailer. >> and legislators in several states say they can't afford to give up the revenue and repeal the tax free weekend. could it be another sign that the economy is improving? brothels in nevada are reporting a 25% increase in business. sales have been down over the past several months but some brothels say the recent boom is a sign that the economy is gaining steam.
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we're going to say conventions in the area are also helping increase sales. huh. well, coming up we're going to take a trip down abbey road. we're going to be live in london for the celebration of an iconic rock album. ever worn your clothes in the shower? if you're using other moisturizing body washes, you might as well be. you see, their moisturizer sits on top of skin, almost as if you're wearing it. only new dove deep moisture has nutriummoisture,
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angry crowds across the country are voicing their opposition to president obama's health care reform plan. and now rush limbaugh is getting some heat for comments that he made about house speaker nancy pelosi playing the quote nazi card. let's take a listen. >> nancy pelosi called all the people showing up to this town hall meetings nazis. by the way, his health care logo look damn like the nazi logo. i'm sorry, but it does. i didn't create either logo. but i have two eyes and i can see. >> joining me live now conservative blogger liz mayors, and also ryan grim, senior
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congressional correspondent for the huffington post. good to have you both here. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having us. >> okay, liz, i want to ask for your reaction to what rush limbaugh said. do you think that kind of rhetoric helps the cause for those who are against the obama health care plan? >> i personally don't think that it does, no. i think that rush limbaugh is somebody who certainly a lot of people like to tune in and listen to. he can be very entertaining. he can also be very inflammatory. i'm not sure that that's rhetoric that particularly moves the ball forward as far as anybody is concerned here. that would be my personal opinion. >> ryan, how about you? how do you respond to what you heard him say there? >> how do you respond to something like that? i mean, the outburst at the town halls is something that has kind of caught the flat footed. it shouldn't have. there's been a lot of disinformation floating around on right wing blogs and right
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wing e-mail lists for the last month or so, that the health care bill will allow the government to decide, you know, who gets surgery or who gets transplants or something along those lines. and this is just, you know, it's kind of a continuation of this kind of aggressive ignorance that is on the far, you know, the far fringe of the right wing movement that's been going on since, you know, since the election, when people were questioning whether or not obama's a citizen. and that's still going on, like the e-mails that are going around, come protest health care bill, and come demand that obama show his birth certificate. it's all tied up in the same kind of ignorance. >> i'm curious, liz, we see the shouting matches. what about the tenor of things online and on the blogs? how is it going? >> well, actually, i'm on a number of those e-mail lists that, you know, conservative bloggers and libertarian bloggers are contributing to and i haven't heard any calls for obama to present his birth certificate. i think there's pretty widespread recognition that the president is, in fact, a u.s.
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citizen. there is a lot of anger, however, about the health care proposal that is under consideration. and i think when you look at things like that cnn poll that we saw come out last week, you know, we can recognize that that's not just about the fringe. it's not just about the people who actually, you know, do verge toward the genuine right wing. they're 45% of people polled in that survey who express deep concerns about what is on the table. this is a very contentious issue. i think that's rightly so, because it's an important issue and it affects people's lives in a very meaningful fashion. >> ryan, before i let you jump in, i want to ask you, with those e-mails that you're getting, among what's being said, are there concerted efforts, organized e-mails that give advice from very right extreme groups that say, okay, get up there, get to the front of these town hall meetings, disperse yourselves, be loud? are there directions being given on what to do when you get to these town hall meetings? >> let me be clear, what i'm receiving is from conservative
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bloggers and order near grassroots people. this is not a top-down effort in the way that it's being characterized. i also don't think that i'm receiving information from what i would consider to be the extreme. i'm receiving from pretty mainstream conservatives and libertarians. what i'm hearing is make your concerns about this health care proposal clear. that's what i'm receiving. and i think that's how a lot of this is being organized. i think ryan would probably agree with this, what's really interesting, actually, about what's going on at the town halls is the fact that so much of this is being organized through new media and not through traditional advocacy measures that we have seen elected officials and advocacy groups. >> that is an interesting angle. ryan you were going to say something, i cut you off. >> that's right. i do agree with what liz is saying about the new media access of this. but just to correct something she said earlier, the right wing media outlets, human events, just this morning sent out an e-mail that i got in which they were forwarding something from a group called right march, which is kind of an march, which is a
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right group, anti-immigration,da list of reasons why you can go to the town hall -- i can forward this to you -- one, protest health care, two, protest cap and trade and, three, demand obama show his birth certificate. it's one of the bullet points they want. this is human events. this is sort of a kind of mainstream, conservative outlet that's pushing this around. and when we talk about what's mainstream in the conservative movement we might have to readjust the way we're thinking about what's mainstream because you have a majority or roughly a majority of republicans in some states who say that they're not sure that the president was born in the united states. that's becoming a mainstream position within some elements of the right. that doesn't make it nonfringe, just the fact that tons and tons of people believe it. it's still extreme, it's still fringe. it's still false, still wrong. just the fact that tons of people believe it kind of makes it mainstream, but what does
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that make the party? >> we'll leave that as a rhetorical question. liz mair and ryan graham, good to talk to both of you. come back and see us, okay? >> thank you. >> will do. still ahead -- a live look at abbey road in london where people are crowding and stopping traffic. we're live with the reason why, next. mr. evans? this is janice from onstar. i have received an automatic signal you've been in a front-end crash. do you need help? yeah. i'll contact emergency services and stay with you. you okay? yeah. onstar. standard for one year on 14 chevy models. (announcer) regular kool-aid.
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perhaps the most famous photo of the beatles turns 40 today. this photo of the beatles of crossing outside the abbye road studio was taken august 8, 1969. fans have been recreating the pose, fun for many. nbc's tom aft elis in london wi more. have you made the crosswalk yet? >> reporter: in fact, i have. on that day 40 years ago, john, paul, george and ringo came out of of the recording studio just
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behind the trees there and made the crossing twice, once in each direction, while a photographer stood right where i am. he was on a step ladder, took six shots and came back and paul mccartney picked the shot used on the front of the album. >> what are people saying as to why they are coming out today, just to cross the street? >> reporter: well, you know, beatles' fans, they're young, old, in between. i think it's just part of the london scene these days in the summer, that everybody knows that abbey road is the place where they made all that great music. people just pass by and when they see the crossing they're aware of the story, the myth behind it. they just want to try it and imitate the beatles posing. you you see people holding up the traffic. the local people always stop for the pedestrian crossing. nobody gets irate or angry at the people recreating the photograph. it's just part of beatle mania,
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which if you look back has been going more than 40 years and shows no sign of getting weaker. >> are therejpáíf÷ official eve today commemorating this photo or just what we see going on? >> reporter: it's just what we see doing on. a little earlier in the day there were, of course, many more days here. the exact moment of the photograph was marked 11:35 in tj it's pretty close to 5:00 in the afternoon now. but at the time there were several hundred people, possibly a thousand people, only one policeman on duty, traffic backed up for miles. it was all good-natured, four guys dressed as the baes ells as they were in those days, rolls-royce painted in psychodelic colors. it was all a little nostalgia and all over very quickly. part of the laid-back atmosphere of london in the summer. >> i've got to go. give me one answer. who were you pretending to be when you crossed the road, tom? >> reporter: i was thinking of paul mccartney, the one that
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at the center of any criminal investigation is a dark heart and the iron hand of justice. >> honor, commitment, courage. >> you know, you can pretty much trust another marine. >> he was a decorated military man. then he was accused of child molestation and rape. >> i blacked out. and when i woke up, he was on top of me. >> you'll start to see the physical evidence, that what he'd done, he'd done to your daughter, you know, that he betrayed your trust. >> but he managed to elude military justice before making his final escape. >> i personally couldn't believe that someone would kill themselves in a fire. >> was it suicide, or was there a more sinister explanation? >> my exact words when i was
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told were, how do we know it's him? >> could he have faked his own death? >> if that's what really did happen, then he's the biggest coward i know. >> on this dark heart iron hand. the vanishing. it is the u.s. marine motto, their code of honor and words they live by. semper fi, always faithful. but this crime file investigation is about a marine accused of violating that faith, accused of leading a double life and committing a series of crimes from child sexual abuse to murder. for years he managed to slip through the cracks of military justice, his secrets hidden beneath a stellar reputation as a marine. when the law finally caught up with him, he escaped again by taking his own life. or did he? here's keith morrison. >> the end came on february 3, 1994, an explosion in a lonely gorge east of las vegas.